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Summer 1996

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FRIENDS TO DIE for (p. 22)


In this interview, two pastors and a Christian musician-Scotty Smith, Scott Roley, and Michael Card-talk candidly about how they found accountability in the midst of friendship.

Have you ever had conflict?

Scott Roley: Back in 1990, I wanted to go to some event that would have brought me into contact with a relationship from my past, and it was clearly wrong for me to go. So I hid my idea of going. But it came up in a conversation with Scotty. Scotty told Michael, and they both said, "You're not going to this event."

Michael Card: Often, my motivation for not deceiving these guys is not personal righteousness; it's because I don't want to be caught by Scotty or Scott. They're the two guys I respect most in the world, the two people I don't want to disappoint.

Scotty Smith: The pain of love is stronger than the pain of legalism. If this were just an accountability group that had a list of things to check off, we could say, "I blew it," and move on. But because we love each other, the pain that goes with damaging that friendship is more telling.

How does the group handle the pressures Scotty faces as senior pastor?

Roley: We're all trying to resist being someone who sucks up to the system, makes a living off the faith, and builds his own kingdom.

Smith: Every person with a microphone in his or her hand learns pragmatically what works. And "transparency" works. I can get in the pulpit and be transparent, yet if I didn't have authentic relationships, it would not ...



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